Ban Islam
One of my Google Alerts returned a link to a discussion thread at alt.religion.islam. The post was by kangarooistan, who titled it "There's a group called " BAN ISLAM " help us to delete it". Kangarooistan's post is intended to initiate a movement to pressure Face Book to delete a discussion board titled "Ban Islam."
I will not reproduce the complete drivel
here, instead I will refute a few key deceptions which need to be
addressed directly.
This group is created because there has been a breach of contract by the creator of the Group "Ban Islam" and Face book needs to address this issue as a group demoralizing any religion is disrespectful and encourages religious hatred among people...
The group began with an obscenity in its name, Face Book objected and the organizers changed the name.
- demoralizing any religion is disrespectful and encourages religious hatred among people
- .encourages religious hatred among people
Kangarooistan is a clever liar, the sentence quoted above is an exemplar of kitman: lying by commission or concealment. We can discover the truth of this matter by examining Islam's all purpose handbook of Shari'ah: Reliance of the Traveller.Of course there is a freedom of speech.. BUT, There is no freedom of abusing, spamming, swearing or disrespecting!
- O11.10-5 or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam
- O8.7: Acts that Entail Leaving Islam
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-4- to revile Allah or His messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace);
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-5- to deny the existence of Allah, His beginingless eternality, His endless eternality, or to deny any of His attributes which the consensus of Muslims ascribes to Him (dis: v1);
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-6- to be sarcastic about Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat;
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-7- to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does belong to it;
- -15- to hold that any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent;
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-16- to revile the religion of Islam;
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O8.1
When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
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O8.2
In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representive) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.
If you oppose or criticize Islam in any place where Allah's writ runs, they'll kill you for it!Every one has a right to oppose & criticize others' belief but in a positive and gentle way..
Earth is sweltering with the heat of tyrant and brutality.. Let's transform it into an oasis of peace and love!.. Let's say no to hate!
Let's stand against the racism.. We all are created equal... Let's respect the differences!.. Neither any religion nor any philosophy preach hate... So let's join hand and walk together to make the earth a wonderful planet...
- Let's transform it into an oasis of peace and love!
- Neither any religion nor any philosophy preach hate
Islam is aggressive, offensive, predatory, genocidal and mercenary. I have presented much of the evidence in this post. Click the links and see for yourself. If any doubt remains, read What's Wrong with Islam/Muslims and follow the links therein contained.
If you are ready to take action, here
are some things you can do to advance the cause of human life and
liberty against Islam's genocidal aggression. Please sign and promote
the following on line petitions. Send their urls to your
Congressman & Senators. Copy these petitions and paste them
into emails, urging the recipients to forward them. Learn as much as
you can about Islam and share your knowledge with others; each one
teach two!
- Congress Debate Qur'an Petition
- Outlaw Islam!
- Ban Islam
- Citizens' Declaration of Threat & Plea for Relief
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Why this fails:
1. Witchhunting. Ever heard of Joseph McCarthy? The man was an embarassment.
2. Removing separation of the church and state - You want to give the government the power to decide at a whim which religions are really religion and revoke that status whenever they like. That means that any religion, Judaism, Christianity, etc can be named "predator" and have its status revoked if the chosen gov't at the time feels like it. Sick.
3. What desecration laws?. It's a violation of the freedom of speech.
4. There are no laws to protect Islam from consideration. Welcome to the USA where thanks to your freedom of speech, you can say whatever you want whenever you want, whether it be the USA, Israel, or Iran. Or Chrisitianity, Judaism, or Islam.
5. What about the rest of the illegal aliens? All of the sudden illiegal immigration is okay, as long as you're not a Muslim? Again, do you even live here, or are you one of those dual-citizenship riders?
6. You want to give the government the power to revoke anyone's citizenship whenever it feels like it. What the hell is wrong with you?
7. Yeah, turn the USA into a police state. That's a great idea. Let's accomplish what Hitler never could have hoped to.
2. You are creating a fabulistic straw man argument. I want 'religions' to be evaluated on an objective basis, based on their scriptures and practices. Anyone willing and able to read the Qur'an, hadith, tafsir & Shari'ah will learn from all four documents that Islam is permanent war. It is a war cult, not a legitimate religion. Those interested persons lacking the time and patience to wade through thousands of pages of shit can download EgregiousAyat.chm, which contains a substantial subset of the relevant portions of each of the referenced texts.
3. In Australia, Britain, Canada, Finland & Sweden, persons have been persecuted, fined and/or imprisoned for criticizing Islam. The U.N. is trying like Hell to make those blasphemy laws globally applicable.
4. In the past and the short term we are free. With a 'slime in the White House and Socialists running both houses of Congress, our rights are in severe danger.
5. Most illegal Aliens are not dedicated & devoted to conquering us. A few are criminals and a few are drunk drivers; I do not deny their impact nor do I ignore them. I am a Numbers USA activist.
6. Your straw man stinks! Use fresh straw, do not mix it with shit. It is not possible to be a faithful Muslim and a good citizen of the USA. Islam is not compatible with our system of representative government. Islam requires totalitarian theocracy. No compromise is possible.
7. Get some fresh straw! Islam is the ultimate police state. Witness the Muttawan shoving the girls back into a burning school 'cuz their hair was not covered. It is not possible to be secure in our homeland while a Muslim fifth column is present. Security requires removal of the enemy forces from our midst.
2. I'm doing no such thing. What you want is irrelevant, the best intentions are absolutely meaningless when you are creating a weapon that can be used to attack anyone, not just your enemy. The people that created the atomic bomb had the best of intentions too, but they sure didn't do us any favors by creating it.
3. Why are you mentioning those other countries? It should be perfectly clear I'm respdonding to the points made in that ridiculous petition in yours. It is a petition to the UNITED STATES CONGRESS - not those OTHER countries. There are no desecration laws here. Are you being deliberately dishonest, or do you really not get the reference?
4. Wow, speaking of straw men... where exactly is your source showing that them thar dam soshullists in charge are breaking the constitution to take away people's freedom of speech against Islam? This isn't Denmark.
5. So why is this petition even pretending they are relevant? I mean really, it makes it sound like there is this mass invasion of illegal muslims in the country that are being let off the hook, which is just nonsensical.
6. My mistake. I seem to recall reading in that document that Muslim citizens either had to pass a polygraph or be stripped of citizenship. After reading it again, I see that apparently I either misread it from legal resident aliens, or it was changed. Either way, incorrect on my part.
7. Islam is not a society. It cannot be a police state. That's outright retarded. Your petition demands that "Increase the scope, scale & effectiveness of surveillance programs watching the activities of Islamic citizens & organizations. " here in the USA. The only way to do that is by expanding that spying ... o pardon, SURVEILLANCE, to the entire USA. That's a police state. I can't imagine why you would even WANT a police state under an administration you claim to hate so much. Police states serve the government, not the people.
2. Little Boy & Fat Man allowed us to win in the Asian Theater, with 1 million fewer casualties than an invasion would have cost.
3. "Hate speech", "blasphemy" or "defamation"; the effect remains unchanged. Ezra Levant & Mark Steyn were recently persecuted in Canada, suffering great financial damage in the process.
4.The attacks upon Conservative & Christian broadcasters point to the coming trend of censorship. Obama is, after all, a Muslim who sucks up to the demanding tyrants. I have no doubt that he will attempt to implement "hate speech" legislation.
5. Exactly which of the "Magnificent 19" was in this country legally and remained here legally on the day of the abomination? Once is Goddamn enough!!!
7. Islam defines itself as a nation and aspires to extend its control over the entire world. Muslims engage in mass casualty attacks. Elderly Nuns and normal mothers with small children do not. The Nuns and mothers can not fly without being frisked & wanded and their purses inspected. You harass the victims when you should be excluding the perpetrators.
To solve the problem, exclude the aggressive class: Muslims. It is that simple.
2. And now we're paying for that decision decades later, and will be for as long as there are nukes. We're paying for it in fear, fear that some crazed nutbag will get ahold of one and drop it on us instead. A fear so intense that mere association with it is enough to demonize and call for war.
3. Again, Canada isn't in the USA. Absolutely irrelevant to this petition, which is what I am responding to. So, speaking of straw men...!
4. Attacks, eh? So, when was the Fair Speech doctrine added to law? Asking for it isn't an attack, and it wasn't even asked for by the administration, the one's with the power.
5. I assume by "day of the abomination" you refer to 9/11. Not sure why you couldn't call it that, but w/e. Perhaps you should ask Bush why, with the wonders of Gitmo available, that was allowed. I have no idea. Otherwise, irrelevant, unless you're claiming he was involved.
7. And you need a police state to do that? No, you do not. You do not have to turn this into a filthy little pseudodictatorship with pretensions of democracy in order to deal with the aggressive. That should be obvious enough in the fact that ... hmm, where ARE ALL the attacks on American soil from those aggressive Muslims? Right. Didn't need a police state.
2. FDR and HST were not sufficiently careful about security. We pay the price for that. Giving the technology to Russia was the world's worst idea. Had Hitler pursued his nuclear program and developed the bomb ahead of us, the outcome would have been very different, and not to our benefit.
3. There is hate speech legislation supposed to protect Queers passing through Congress at the present time. It will effectively outlaw quoting the biblical injunctions against sodomy. There is nothing to prevent its expansion into "religion". Islam outlaws sodomy, prescribing the death penalty for Queers. Exactly why does CAIR support hate speech legislation??? It is because they hope for its expansion to make criticism of Islam a criminal offense and no other reason.
4. LibTurds are demanding the revival of the Unfairness Doctrine and passage of new legislation/regulations under the guises of "local interest" & "diversity". The real purpose is content control.
5. Clinton is the one who allowed it, by his refusal to implement computerized database access control at points of entry. The program he squelched would have kept most of the 19 out of this country. Shrub, incompetant and corrupt as he was, was in office for 8 months prior to the abomination. Clinton was in office fore the preceding 8 years, which included the attacks upon the WtC and OKC. You conveniently left that fact out.
7. Chapel Hill, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Metropolitan Washington DC area, Norman OK,... vehicular assaults, snipings, shootings and one attempted bombing. And there were a few foiled plots. There will be more. Common sense requires eliminating the enemy presence on our soil, there is no alternative!
2. You're missing the point. Once an idea is made, it can't be unmade, and this is especially true for weapons. You're attempting to use semantics as a weapon against Islam in the USA, by revoking it's status as a religion, you can cheat the constitutional laws on separation of church and state. Once that weapon is made.... it can be applied to everyone. It doesn't matter what your INTENTIONS are.
3. Mind sourcing this? This is the first time I've heard about any such bill.
4a.Words like "Libturds" remind me that there are some Conservatives every bit as childish as the liberals they hate. Honestly, how old are you?
4b. And yet said revival isn't happening. WIth complete control of Congress by the "evil socialists", why isn't it happening?
5. Nothing convenient about it. I'm not a liberal nor a conservative. I consider the representatives of both ideologies largely an embarassment to our country. There's a reason I don't identify with a particular party or ideology, and that's one of many. Again, irrelevant, and the fact that one failure or another was in charge doesn't change that.
7. Mind sourcing these claims? You're citing stuff at random, and not putting them in any sort of context. You're doing it to make the point that this country can only solve those things by being a police state. You're not actually backing up your point, you're just hiding behind a straw man. Okay, so you eliminate the enemy presence - that doesn't prove we need a police state. Come on, you're arguing that we should be a police state the way Nazi Germany was, so how about backing it up?
Innocent Muslim is an oxymoron. Muslims submit to Allah; obeying Allah and his messenger. Allah commands Muslims to engage in Jihad, making war upon all who do not become Muslims voluntarily. Moe exemplified Jihad, terrorism & genocide. Functionally, Islam is an Arab Mafia.
2. Islam is disqualified as a religion because its mission is mercenary and its method is martial. This has nothing to do with semantics and everything to do with Islamic doctrine & practice enshrined in the Qur'an, exemplified by Moe's Sunnah and codified in Shari'ah. Islam confers a license and imposes a duty to kill Kuffar, rape their widows, enslave their children and seize their real and personal property. That right & duty is incompatible with the rights to life, liberty, property, pursuit of happiness & religious liberty declared in the Declaration of Independence & Constitution.
Christianity & Judaism are not threatened by the propsed Amendment 28 because their mission is spiritual & beneficent, not mercenary and their methods are persuasive, not coercive.
3. www.thetaskforce.org/issues/hate_crimes_main_page
www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/HateCrimes.pdf
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97460
www.hrc.org/sites/hatecrimes/faq.asp
www.stophate.us/hcpa.html
www.thenewamerican.com/culture/family/1157
4. Too young to vote for Goldwater, old enough to campaign for him. Your assertion is entirely irrelevant. Liberals are shitheads. Their doctrines are entirely inimical to liberty & prosperity. Their arguments are lies and their ideas are brainfarts. All of which is entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand. One of Obama's cronies, currently serving in his administration, wrote a book outlining a process for implementing censorship. It is just a matter of time.
5. Entirely irrelevant except that you share the LibTurd's irrationality.
7. Islam is perpetual war; continual attacks upon Kuffar. Read the Goddamn Qur'an. Read the Goddamn Hadith. Read the Goddamn Shari'ah. What do Al-Anfal, At-Taubah, Bukhari: Jihad/Khumas/Expedition and Umdat as-Salik O9 have in common? Why?
Muslims are a fifth column behind our lines. We need to remove them, exclude them and keep them out. Once that is done we can eliminate the true police state elements such as frisking, wanding and searching luggage. The police state is treating innocent citizens as suspects because LibTurds stubbornly refuse to identify the enemy which perpetrated the Goddamn Abomination and threatens/promises to attack us again.
That enemy is Islam; that enemy is composed of Muslims. That is the fatal fact which none dare contemplate. You can deny it, you can distract attention from it, but you can not disprove it!
According to this reasoning, Muslims should be coming after us on the streets, keeping us in a perpetual state of fear with daily suicide bombings. Yet they are not. Which tells me that this reasoning fails at logic, and steps into the realm of the irrational.
2. Islam is disqualified as a religion because its mission is mercenary and its method is martial"
Again, I ask: are you American? You don't sound like it, because the fact is that while this may be true in OTHER countries, it is not here. You are making the ridiculous generalization that because a religion is one way in one country, it must be the same in another. Ignorant.
3. Hate crimes and hate speech aren't the same thing, unless you're one of those scumbags who thinks he's being cheated out of his god-given right to kill someone just for being "Queer".
4. Funny, they same the same things about conservatives. Why? Because they, like conservatives, are childish and cannot tolerate dissent. They, like conservatives, wish to shut out anyone that opposes them. It's a sad statement of politics.
5. Liberals aren't the only ones guilty of irrationality, as we see in this argument. Attempting to dismiss me as one is simply an act of argumenative cowardice. You can't associate me with them directly, so you'll find some load of crap about being irrational? Please, get over yourself.
7. When you start talking about my country and not the rest of the world, you may have a point. Until then, there's nothing to refute.
8. While we're discussing points, we keep coming back to something that makes me curious. Are you an American?
Islam attacks when it has strength and perceives weakness. It begins near home and expands outward. There is no requirement that the entire world be conquered in one day. Moe prophesied that Jihad would be practiced continuously until Judgment Day: Abu Dawud 14.2526.
2. Islam has a standard: Moe's recitation, codified in the Qur'an. It has an exemplar: Moe's Sunnah, codified in the hadith. Sunni, Shi'ia, Ahmadiya or Sufi, it has a core of solid shit; all the same stuff wherever it is. Islam is only what Moe preached and exemplified.
Its mercenary mission is exposed by 8:1, 8:41, 33:27 & 48:15-20. It finds ample confirmation in Sahih Bukhari 3.37.495, Sahih Muslim 19.4327, Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220 & Sahih Bukhari 4.52.267.
This is the electrified fact fence which the snake can not slither over. It must circumslither or tunnel under the facts, it can not confront them because they are true and easily verified. Google the numbers, they are named anchors in a database.
Ostensibly, Islam's mission is making Allah's word dominate the world. In fact, its mission is enriching Moe through piracy & extortion. Diversion & denial do not cut the mustard. It is impossible to refute the relevant, easily verifiable facts of Islam.
Search for What You Need to Know About Islam and What's Wrong With Islam/Muslims?. Click the links and read the canonical texts, then bring forth relevant, verifiable facts with which to refute them. You can't do it!
3. The laws in Australia, Britain & Canada apply criminal sanctions to vocal & written expressions which offend Muslims as well as Queers. Men have been fined and imprisoned for those contrived offenses. The legislation now passing through Congress is intended to intimidate preachers; to make them wary of preaching from the texts which declare sodomy to be an abomination.
The OIC and UN are demanding similar legislation to "protect" Islam. The Queer protection bill will smooth the way for passage of their blasphemy laws. It is all part and parcel of the same intimidation campaign.
4. Politics is war by other means. Our system of limited government was intended to limit the damage politicians could do. The abandonment of our Constitution during the reign of FDR led directly to our present problems. Politics has become a blood sport because of the high stakes. Fortunes will be lost; so will lives because of the Goddamn AssWhollery of BHO and the 'crats & RINOs who are ramming through his Socialist agenda.
5. You reject the facts and fail to argue directly to them. There are no rational arguments to support the idiotic and irrational policy you espouse. Denial & Tu-quoque do not cut the mustard!
7. Islam considers itself a nation: Ummah al-Islamiya; the nation of Islam. One Ummah, one Caliph, a bevy of Imams running feudal subdivisions, all under the rule of the Qur'an.
That damnable document has clear commands whose meaning is obvious. Read 3:7 and Ibn Kathir's Tafsir thereof. ... Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, are to be believed in and implemented. No matter how you tap dance, slither and side step, there is no evading the fatal facts. Moe's Goddamn War Cult, wheresoever dispersed over the face of the earth, has one standard: eternal damnation. The meaning of the text is clear upon its face; there is no real need for tafsir. Here they are, for the benefit of doubters & dissenters. Disprove them if you can; I won't hold my breath waiting.
The Command to have Enmity towards the Disbelievers and to abandon supporting ThemThe Command to strike the Enemies' Necks, tighten Their Bonds, and then free Them either by an Act of Grace or for a RansomThe Order to fight until there is no more FitnahAllah gives Victory to the Believing GroupPermission to fight; this is the first Ayah of JihadThe Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest AreasThe Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and KufrThe Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the JizyahThe Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers and HypocritesThe Good News that Muslims will conquer the Known World, and ultimately the Entire WorldThe Good News that Muslims will Dominate the People of the BookThe Good News that Islam shall prevailCommands, orders & good news. Each topic displays the relevant ayat & ahadith. All are clear and unmistakable. There is no possibility of misinterpretation. Muslims are commanded to make war; to conquer the entire world. Muslims are promised victory; culminating in global domination. Read it and weep, you lovers of life & liberty!
8. Your question is entirely irrelevant and the answer should be obvious in any case. In Australia, Canada or Britain, I would long since have been imprisoned for what I have uttered & published. I am only protected by the First Amendment because I was born here, as were my parents and grandparents.
You can not defend the War Cult based on facts. You are dependent upon emotion, distraction & deception because Islam is the ultimate evil, exposed as such by the contents of its own canon of scripture, tradition and jurisprudence.
The Hilali & Khan translation of the Noble Qur'an is available with translator's footnotes, in English and several other languages. This link is to Al- Baqarah 190, in whose footnote Jihad is defined and explained most clearly.
http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?nSora= 2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190
Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation, with his tafsir, is available, along with several others at altafsir.com.
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?Display=yes&SoraNo= 2&Ayah= 190&Language=2&TranslationBook=4
Ibn Kathir's Tafsir, with an alpha-numeric search engine, is available at http://www.qtafsir.com .
Reliance of the Traveller is available, in the form of a monolithic text file at: http://www.nku.edu/%7Ekenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html
You can search it with the Ctrl f key combination if you use Windows. Book O contains the definition and rules of Jihad. Read it and curse Islam, if you have a soul.