3 posts tagged “ban islam”

Irrationality reared its ugly head at Blogocracy.

    Initially, Rodan opined that Islam should be banned because "It is not only Muslim immigrants that are a threat.". Subsequently, he retracts hes call for banning Islam on the basis of a reader comment from Lance.  Lance argued that banning Islam would lead to banning Christianity.

ban islam and christianity and judiasm follow.

1st amendment applies or it doesn’t.

it doesn’t allow them to commit terrorism, but they can still face east and pray to a black rock if they wish.

remember that there are many who come here to escape oppression.

    I will take on Rodan first. Involvement by native converts and Muslims born here is irrelevant to the question of whether Islam should be banned.  Islam should be banned or tolerated based on its mission, doctrines and practices, not the identity of its adherents. 

    Lance's argument that banning Islam implies banning religions is illogical because there is good cause for banning Islam. Unlike Judiasm & Christianity, Islam has a mercenary mission and militant methods. It issues a mandatory license to kill, enslave, rape, pillage & plunder.  Jihad is "ordained for Muslims". That means Jihad is mandatory, not optional. Jihad is their "original religion", abandoning it in favor of productive pursuits subjects them to a curse from Allah.The Bible neither issues an open license to kill nor threatens adherents with Hellfire for failing to engage in offensive conquest.

    Islam's mercenary mission, evident in 8:1, 8:41, 8:67  & 48:20,  its mandate to global conquest in 8:39, 9:29 & 9:123, its mandate to cast terror in 8:12 and its mandate to genocide in 8:67 & 47:4 make Islam absolutely intolerable.  Those Qur'an verses have no functional equivalent in the Bible.

    The free exercise clause prevents Congress from passing laws abridging the free exercise of religion. Jihad, terrorism & genocide are intrinsic sacraments of Islam; they can not be prohibited by law unless the first amendment is reinterpreted or amended. Islam is inseverable; Jihad can not be separated from Iman, Salat & Zakat.

    It is true that many Muslims fled to America and Europe to escape from prosecution by the "hypocrites" whose tyrannical regimes they sought to overthrow and supplant with their own corrupt theocracy.  That does nothing to change the fact that Islam is a war cult which wears a thin veil of religion as a camouflage and troop motivator.

One of my Google Alerts returned a link to a discussion thread at alt.religion.islam. The post was by kangarooistan, who titled it "There's a group called " BAN ISLAM " help us to delete it".    Kangarooistan's post is intended to initiate a movement to pressure Face Book to delete a discussion board titled "Ban Islam."  

    I will not reproduce the complete drivel here, instead I will refute a few key deceptions which need to be addressed directly.

This group is created because there has been a breach of contract by the creator of the Group "Ban Islam" and Face book needs to address  this issue as a group demoralizing any religion is disrespectful and encourages religious hatred among people...

The group began with an obscenity in its name, Face Book objected and the organizers changed the name.

• demoralizing any religion is disrespectful and encourages religious hatred among people

While some posters swing the heavy hammers of condemnation & execration, others post relevant factual evidence to support their conclusions. We tell the truth about Islam and they interpret it as demonization. Yes, kangarooistan chose the wrong word. Islam is immoral and demonic,  by design.

• .encourages religious hatred among people

That is what the Qur'an does, but it goes further, inciting genocidal violence. The Skeptic's Annotated Qur'an lists 527 ayat which incite religious hatred.

Of course there is a freedom of speech.. BUT, There is no freedom of abusing, spamming, swearing or disrespecting!

Kangarooistan is a clever liar, the sentence quoted above is an exemplar of kitman: lying by commission or concealment. We can discover the truth of this matter by examining Islam's all purpose handbook of Shari'ah: Reliance of the Traveller.

• O11.10-5 or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam

Any negative remark about Islam breaks the covenant of dhimmitude and forfeits the dhimmi's life.

• O8.7: Acts that Entail Leaving Islam

• -4- to revile Allah or His messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace);

• -5- to deny the existence of Allah, His beginingless eternality, His endless eternality, or to deny any of His attributes which the consensus of Muslims ascribes to Him (dis: v1);

• -6- to be sarcastic about Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat;

• -7- to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does belong to it;

• -15- to hold that any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent;

• -16- to revile the religion of Islam;

Remember the penalty for apostasy!

• O8.1

  When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

• O8.2

  In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representive) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.

Every one has a right to oppose & criticize others' belief but in a positive and gentle way..

If you oppose or criticize Islam in any place where Allah's writ runs, they'll kill you for it!  

Earth is sweltering with the heat of tyrant and brutality.. Let's transform it into an oasis of peace and love!.. Let's say no to hate!
Let's stand against the racism.. We all are created equal... Let's  respect the differences!.. Neither any religion nor any philosophy  preach hate... So let's join hand and walk together to make the earth  a wonderful planet... 

• Let's transform it into an oasis of peace and love!

Translation: convert the entire world to Islam, by force or deception, then it'll all be peachy keen.

• Neither any religion nor any philosophy  preach hate

Islam is neither a religion nor a philosophy; it is a way of life: predation! It preaches hate and genocidal violence. 8:37 mandates perpetual war against pagans until only Allah is worshiped. 9:29 mandates perpetual war against Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians until they are subjugated and submit to annual extortion. 8:67 sets "great slaughter" as Moe's price of admission to Paradise. 47:4 commands killing and wounding "many of them".  One Jewish settlement surrendered after a long siege. Moe decapitated the men, then he examined the boys, and decapitated any who had reached adolescence. Genocide, anyone? The historical record is here: Sunan Abu Dawud 38.4390. See also Sahih Bukhari 4.52.280.

    Islam is aggressive, offensive, predatory, genocidal and mercenary. I have presented much of the evidence in this post. Click the links and see for yourself. If any doubt remains,   read What's Wrong with Islam/Muslims and follow the links therein contained.

    If you are ready to take action, here are some things you can do to advance the cause of human life and liberty against Islam's genocidal aggression. Please sign and promote the following on line petitions.  Send their urls to your Congressman & Senators. Copy these petitions and paste them into emails, urging the recipients to forward them. Learn as much as you can about Islam and share your knowledge with others; each one teach two!

• Congress Debate Qur'an Petition
• Outlaw Islam!
• Ban Islam
• Citizens' Declaration of Threat & Plea for Relief

http://www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_south/victorianews/opinion/39418024.html

Now comes Victoria News with a one sided approach to inter-cultural dialog. Google alerted me to the existence of their editorial from which I have quoted a few excerpts out of context  with my comments.

EDITORIAL: Conversations about ethnic and cultural differences right way to go

This arises in context of Lorenzo Bouchard's campaign to ban Islam from Canada. He allegedly posted demands for an Islam ban on bulletin boards at a local university. Subsequently, Muslim students claimed to be in fear for their physical safety because of those postings.

Fears about safety have been churned up in the Muslim student community at the University of Victoria recently

Is there any rational basis for those 'fears", or are they the product of paranoia or political expediency? Does Lorenzo Bouchard have a proven history of making or carrying out threats of physical violence?  Was there any threatening language in those posters?  While those questions remain unanswered, I will presume that the claims of "fears" are the product of political expediency.

There are violent passages in virtually all sacred religious texts, including some that target specific groups and some simply declaring the omnipotence of the god figure.

I am only familiar with Christian & Islamic scripture. Are Buddhists & Hindus engaging in Jihad? Did they perpetrate the attacks at Beslan, London, Madrid or New York?  Then why bring up other scriptures?  

The fact is that Islam's scripture contains open ended, outcome oriented Jihad imperatives without chronological or geographic limits. I present the text of those ayat as translated by Hilali & Khan, with links to parallel translations and to Ibn Kathir's Tafsir. [Emphasis added.]

• 8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.
• The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr
• 9:29.  Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
• The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah

Those are fight...until loops with compound terminal conditions; without time limits. They are not anachronisms. Their revelator prophesied that Jihad would continue until the last day.

• ...and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist).... Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2526

The entire world must be conquered, no matter how long it takes, and Muslims will be cursed if they abandon their duty, as made clear in this hadith.

• Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455:

  Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

  I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.

Can you connect the dots?

• and give up conducting jihad

• until you return to your original religion

Conducting Jihad is their religion.  I do not find in the Christian Gospels any direct equivalent to Islam's Jihad imperative. If you find one, please submit the book chapter & verse.

We must be careful as a society not to encourage the ignorance-based idea that everyone who adheres to a particular faith will interpret those passages the same way.

Muslims are not empowered to interpret their scripture, which includes two types of verses: clear and unclear.  The clear verses contain Allah's commands, including those cited above, and his rules, etc. which are to be believed in and implemented. The clear verses do not require interpretation.  The meaning of the clear verses has been fixed by scholars, based upon Moe's sunnah.  The unclear verses have meanings known only to Allah, and are to be believed but not implemented. To fully comprehend this, you need to read 3:7 and its tafsir.

• 3:7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).
• ...The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented.... The Mutashabihat and Muhkamat Ayat

Moe demonstrated the meaning of 8:39 & 9:29 by waging numerous wars, as reported in his sunnah. Follow the links to the hadith cited above and use the links in the left side bar to go up to the next few levels and read the several books of Jihad in the four collections at USC.  While Ibn Kathir goes into detail about the orders to fight, other exegetes find them so obvious that no elaboration is required. Examine these examples; note how Maududi goes into great detail about Jizya, but not the order to fight.

• Jalalayn
• Ibn Abbas
• Maududi

The ban Islam campaign also calls for the destruction of the Qur’an, the Islamic holy book. On some levels, that’s like saying we should ban other religions because their holy texts refer to non-believers as heathens who should be destroyed.

Please substantiate this assertion. Lorenzo's petitions* call for Islam to be banned, they do not mention destroying the Qur'an. They also explicitly state the grounds on which Islam should be outlawed.

To:  Prime Minister of Canada (Stephen Harper)

IN THE INTEREST OF HUMAN VALUES AND UNIVERSAL LOVE, WE DIRECT THIS PETITION TO OUR PRIME MINISTER,THE HONORABLE STEPHEN HARPER AND ALL MEMBERS OF OUR DEMOCRATIC PARLIAMENT.

WE, THE UNDERSIGNED CANADIAN PETITIONERS, REQUEST A BAN ON THE ORGANIZATION CALLED ISLAM. WE REQUEST THIS BAN DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF IT'S FOUNDER, MOHAMMED AND THE KORAN'S DOCTRINES WHICH LEGITIMIZES PAEDOPHILIA, ASSASSINATIONS, THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN BY SUPPRESSING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE UTILIZATION OF TERROR AS A WEAPON OF INTIMIDATION AND CONTROL.

Sincerely,

*

• http://www.petitiononline.com/GUARDIAN/petition.html
• http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.html

But in this day and age, we must be vigilant when individuals or groups with a certain viewpoint threaten – either implicitly or directly – the well-being of others who are minding their own business.

It appears to this reader that your editorial is casting innuendo against Lorenzo Bouchard, accusing him of threatening Muslims. If you have evidence of any threat, why don't you publish it?

    The business of Islam; of Muslims is Jihad. Must we be vigilant against those who explicitly threaten our well being? It appears that you have no clue concerning the application of your own expression. I will therefore cite Islamic law, which requires a minimum of one military attack against Dar al-Harb in every year. The following quotes are from Umdat as-Salik. [Book O, Chapter 9.]

O9.1 ...As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims. The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, "Jihad is a communal obligation," meaning upon the Muslims each year....

O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace).  After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

"I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,"

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

When Muslims carry out demonstrations, they frequently display signs urging our decapitation and proclaiming that Islam will conquer and dominate us. What do you say about those threats?